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| nispelsm |
Posted - 09/28/2009 : 11:20:10 AM
I was wondering if anyone knew of a script or technique that can be used to improve a person's suggestibility further while in hypnosis? Specifically, to improve a person's response to anchors and other direct suggestions?
Working with my hypnotherapist, I've found that I respond well to guided imagery and metaphors. Get my mind engrossed in a visualized scene, and I respond positively. However, the moment any sort of "command" is issued (i.e. "Anytime you hear me say the word 'X', you will..."), my mind pulls itself partway out of the scene and pays a little too much attention to the instruction.
It doesn't feel like a rejection. It feels more like part of me is afraid that I will fail to act on the instructions, unless I am consciously aware of what the instructions were. It may be a control issue I still need to resolve.
Any ideas are welcome. I'd ask my therapist, but my sessions with her are already devoted to another, more pressing issue. |
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| nispelsm |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 3:54:37 PM
Over the weekend, I met up with a hypnotist who does recreational hypnosis in addition to regular therapy. He had an interesting insight during our session, and demonstrated it to me in no uncertain terms.
According to him, I've been relaxing so much that I am actually going into the Esdaile state. It would explain alot about why I respond weakly to physical suggestion, and have trouble feeling suggested physical sensations in hypnosis. In effect, my body is going to sleep while my mind remains active and aware.
He had me close my eyes and just allow myself to relax down for a minute or two, until I reached the point were my body felt really heavy. He then asked me persmission to work on my left hand, and had me imagine my arm was no longer part of my body. Then, he had me open my eyes and watch as he pinched, pulled, and twisted the skin on my hand and arm. All I felt was a slight pressure on my skin where he was working.
I was floored. I watched him do things I *knew* should hurt like crazy, yet the worst I felt was a dull pressure against my skin. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/28/2009 : 12:33:49 PM
Well, you are right, it's an issue of trust. But, not where I thought it was.
Turns out, the lack of trust is in my instincts. More specifically, I need to learn to trust that my instincts will protect me from harmful outside suggestions, even when I'm not consciously monitoring and directing my thoughts.
It's been two days since I had that revelation, and I've been given a few new tools to "reconnect" with my instincts, and toss aside the feeling of panic should it pop up in the future. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/28/2009 : 10:08:26 AM
It is my personal opinion that something is going on deeper that is causing your issues with hypnosis. I don't know why your hypnotist hasn't touched on these issues. Personally, I have found that when I feel resistance to something in hypnosis, it means something is going on.
Each time I've had resistance, through work with my hypnotherapist, we've been able to figure out what's going on and the issue has cleared away. It's my guess that the issue/s might revolve around trust.
It's also my opinion that those issues should be addressed immediately since your sessions depend on trust with your hypnotist. I would once again bring this up to your hypnotist and ask that they address these issues and/or find a new person to see who can help you. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/22/2009 : 10:26:00 AM
In a word: Confusing.
A couple of times now, I was relaxing and sinking nicely into trance, happily letting thoughts come and go. Then, all of a sudden, everything just stops, and I just instantly pop out, but without any startle response, and without the disorientation that normally occurs when first coming out of trance. It's as though I was never in, yet I know for certain I was. There is no emotion associated with it, other than a feeling of, "What the heck just happened?"
Last evening, I lay down for a brief nap (no intention to meditate). I ended up having a dream of several people having a debate, but everything they said was jibberish. I got the distinct impression it was a debate over hypnosis, but the words they spoke all ran together. Even more bizarre, it was on a loop. While I was "free" to go off where I wanted in the dream, the voices followed and remained in the background the whole time.
Later that night, when it was time for bed, I tried for an hour to get to sleep. Every time I was on the verge, I got "pushed" back awake. I got a vague impression along the lines of, "Hang on, I'm busy with soemthing at the moment."
I'm not too worried about it, so much as wondering what the heck is rattling around inside there.
On the upside, I've started experiencing illusionary sounds while in trance. Several times now, the voice on the "Improve Visualization" audio will start to fade away, then suddenly return to regular volume, but sounds like it's coming from inside my mind instead of the headphones. Other times, sounds from what I'm visualizing will momentarily appear to coming from somewhere in my room, instead of inside my mind.
It's been an... eventful few days. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/22/2009 : 07:01:53 AM
Hey Nispelsm, how are things coming along? |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/19/2009 : 10:21:36 PM
Oh ok, I was just curious. If I were you, I would use self hypnosis and then deliver the suggestions as simple affirmation type statements like "I just let things happen and relax." Be careful about saying something about fears in a hypnosis session. Your mind tends to focus on things like that and it might not help your cause. It's why hypnotists don't use the word pain when doing pain work, they use discomfort.
I don't know that you need a full blown visualization. I think some consistent well formed affirmations would work fine. I have this exercise I learned from Jaime Smart that might help you with believing the affirmations.
Try this outside of hypnosis first. Say an affirmation and take the time to feel what happens in your body. It may take some time to get a clear feeling. Then just accept whatever comes up after you say the affirmation and repeat it again. Notice the difference. When you just accept something as is without the need to change it, the change happens on it's own almost. You can shift beliefs very quickly with enough practice using this method and I personally think it's very powerful to use in hypnosis. I use it in my self hypnosis sessions. But practice with it outside of hypnosis first.
Just test it out on a few beliefs you have. Remember, there is no need to change anything and you accept whatever comes up.
Let me know how it goes. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/19/2009 : 3:44:46 PM
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Originally posted by hypjunkie18
Well that's good to hear that you talked to her but I'm confused as to why she didn't directly help you. Or did she?
It was something she was able to help with over the phone, without me having to schedule a session. As she put it, sometimes, your subconscious just has to hear the affirmations coming from yourself.
She recommended I give the audio of our last session another week, and continue with my self-hypnonis suggestions. Though, she did recommend I either whittle the suggestions down into simpler statements, in keeping with the idea of a pre-session pep-talk, or turn it into a full-blown guided-imagery session.
She also said that if I don't see any improvements to the lingering feelings in the next week, I can schedule an appointment to address them more directly. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/19/2009 : 11:11:23 AM
Well that's good to hear that you talked to her but I'm confused as to why she didn't directly help you. Or did she? |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/19/2009 : 10:28:05 AM
Quickie update:
I talked to my therapist about the vulnerability issue. From her experience, she says it probably has to do with a part of me is afraid of being "too good" at giving up conscious control. Basically, my mind is afraid that once I let go completely, it will cause me to become overly suggestible in situations where it's not appropriate.
She its a good idea to give myself suggestions that clarify in which situations it's OK to let go, and to remind my subconscious that I always have the power to reassert myself, even when "totally open". Pretty much, what I was aiming for with the above script.
If anyone has any ideas on better ways to word what I currently have, I'd love to see what you come up with. If it helps me improve, I'm all for it. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/16/2009 : 08:45:52 AM
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Originally posted by hypjunkie18
By the way, out of curiosity, what type of deepeners do you use during self hypnosis? Right now, I can achieve hypnosis instantly but it's a very light state and I haven't had much success deepening the state. I'm wondering if what you're doing might help me.
Well, um, this an odd turnabout.
Since you already started a seperate thread for it, I will post in there what helped me. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/16/2009 : 06:32:44 AM
Well that's awesome to hear you go into hypnosis so easily as it's an amazing tool that can help you in so many ways. I would think it's best to talk to her about these issues and see what she has to say.
I'm guessing she can help you very quickly and then you won't have to worry about the nuances of writing scripts.
By the way, out of curiosity, what type of deepeners do you use during self hypnosis? Right now, I can achieve hypnosis instantly but it's a very light state and I haven't had much success deepening the state. I'm wondering if what you're doing might help me. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 3:32:28 PM
I can pretty much go into trance at will at this point, and reach at least a medium level quickly every time, whether my eyes are open or shut. Going deeper still takes 10+ minutes of relaxing and letting thoughts drift away with my eyes closed, and varies widely how relaxed I become. For eyes open, I just stare at a single word on the screen/page until the words around it start to fade/blur. After that, I just move my gaze to the start of the script and read aloud.
Trust isn't an issue with my therapist. In session with her, the above concerns quickly fade out of my mind during the pre-talk dialog before the formal induction. Since there is no pre-talk to the recordings she makes of the sessions, I wanted to use this script as a substitute. The suggestions are there to not only reinforce my existing trust in her, but instill trust in anyone else I may allow to hypnotize me.
The vulnerability I feel is independent of whether I am doing a self-hypnosis session or with a recording. It only surfaces when I feel myself "slipping" really deep. I wish I could explain it better, but at some point, I get a feeling of being unable to direct my own thoughts. That I am at the whims of whatever comes into my mind.
The ironic thing is, part of me believes this is the state I've been trying to reach all along.
I have not yet had a chance to talk to her about these issues. They seemed so trivial next to the bigger issues I was dealing with. I also believe that the issues above are the leftovers; they linger only because I was conditioned to believe them for so many years. Now that I am *finally* getting over the years of abuse I suffered, there will soon be nothing left for those issues to feed off of. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 11:59:09 AM
Now I'm not a licensed hypnotherapist or anything, but it sounds like self hypnosis would be the best route for you. If you don't trust a hypnotist to help you, there isn't much they can do considering all hypnosis is self hypnosis. Or maybe you need to see a different hypnotist. Writing your own script is a good idea in theory but for it to really have effect, you have to be in hypnosis for it to do anything.
Can you get into hypnosis by yourself? My recommendation would be to see a better hypnotist. I think a better hypnotist would be able to help quell your fears and would be able to help you start resolving the things you want to change.
Have you verbalized these issues to the person you are seeing now? |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 5:33:03 PM
Sorry, The goals are:
- Go quickly into deep relaxation
- Achieve greater immediate rapport with a hypnotist that I have consciously allowed to "put me under"
- Improve my overall response to suggested sights, sounds, and physical sensations
- Improve response to post-hypnotic suggestions, including more "involuntary" responses.
The problems I felt I still need to address to achieve those goals (many are not limited to hypnosis):
- Trust issues. On some level, I expect a person is going to trick me in some way, so they can cause me harm, or for their own personal gain.
- Feelings of vulnerability that resurface when going deeper into trance.
- Lingering doubts about my own abilities
- Self-conscious, especially in social situations
- Instinct to analyze and test things. While this is good for my job and in the waking world, it hinders my progress with hypnosis.
For the first issue, I figured associating the hypnotist with someone I would naturally trust would help. The sports coaches I had growing up were knowledgeable and supportive, and always there for me when I was struggling. Also, the idea of a mentor is self-evident. They wouldn't be your mentor in the first place, if you didn't trust them and believe in them.
To deal with feeling vulnerable, I wanted to remind myself that I was safe. The fact I am relaxing in the first place is meant to be a sign that I really am safe.
As for the instinct to analyze, the only thing I could think of was to use several different ways to reinforce the idea to relax and "let go"; to get myself to stop thinking about what's happening while I am going into trance. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 2:02:12 PM
What is your goal with this script? It will help me help you if I understand exactly what you want. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:17:31 AM
Well, I've been working on a script, intended to be read/thought aloud to myself before listening to an audio, or going to a live session. I realize it probably needs work to be more effective, but it does help me get into the right mindset before going "under". I humbly submit what I have so far, and welcome any insights you guys may have that might improve it:
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Each time you go into hypnosis, you go into trance easily, quicker and deeper every time
You find you are able to focus more easily and clearly, each and every time.
Any lingering fears and doubts fade away to nothing.
Feel yourself letting go and relaxing easier each time.
Allow yourself to become completely carefree and uninhibited.
You have no need to dwell on what is happening.
Just let it happen, and enjoy what you feel, as you relax.
Treat the hypnotist as your coach -- as a mentor.
The hypnotist exists to guide you, to help you achieve your goals and desires.
The hypnotist is there to help you unlock your abilities.
All you have to do is relax, listen, and do what the hypnotist asks of you.
As you do this, it becomes easier to see, hear, and feel anything the hypnotist describes to you.
These things become more vivid and real to you, each and every time you go into hypnosis.
Now, imagine yourself becoming drawn into the hypnotist's words.
The hypnotist's voice is so relaxing, drawing you down quickly and comfortably.
Notice how relaxed and safe you feel, with each word you hear.
You know you are safe with the hypnotist, because you always relax when you feel safe.
As you relax, see how readily you respond to the hypnotist's voice.
With every word, you respond effortlessly and automatically.
You recognize that the hypnotist's suggestions are for your benefit.
You accept and follow the hypnotist's words, knowing how much you will benefit from them.
Remember, it is always your choice, and you have chosen to follow the hypnotist's words.
All of this happens without having to think about it.
It happens because it is what you want.
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| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/06/2009 : 10:47:57 AM
I want to thank you both for your time and patience with me.
It may not seem like much, but finding myself responding to Matrixman's exercise has given me a much-needed boost. It shows that I *do* respond to one degree or another to more than just guided imagery.
It also finally sank in last night, that I've gotten so caught up in the mechanics of hypnosis, I've lost a lot of the "magic" that drew me to it in the first place. If I am understanding the previous posts of both Maxtrixman and Hypnojunkie, recapturing that sense of wonder may be key to improving how well I respond to suggestion? |
| Matrixman |
Posted - 10/06/2009 : 12:51:52 AM
The experience is unique and personal form person to person so what ever happened, happened and was right for you in that time- so what happened was right. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 8:40:32 PM
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Originally posted by Matrixman
I would also invite you to check out my blog- which is new- so only has a few articles so far- yet will give you a more updated approach in the "to how" to "play" with hypnosis the link is www.beyondtrances.com/bblog
Jay
After my earlier post today, I went back and re-read this thread, and went to your blog again. This time, I stumbled upon the blog post "Hypnosis Basics". I saw it, and figured it was probably a good idea for me to go back to basics; start fresh, in a sense.
I did the first set of exercises just like you had it. Then, I went off and took care of some daily chores before moving on to the progressive relaxation of phase 1. I read the relaxation part, got myself ready, and used your anchor technique.
Well, I forgot to close my eyes first, but it didn't matter. My eyes pulled closed immediately, and I felt myself physically and mentally sinking right off the bat, a bit more intense than my previous trances. Two times during, I realized that I had "settled" (no sensation of sinking), and used the trigger to set it for whatever depth I was at currently at. Each time, I immediately felt myself sinking again.
Now, forgive me, but I had to test it before posting here. After a half-hour break, I came back and used it again. The results:
- Induced with eyes still open, had immediate eye-closure response and tiring feeling in the body.
- While I did not instantly hit my previous depth, I *did* feel myself relaxing much quicker than before. I hit a nice comfortable state pretty quick, where I felt my back and neck muscles let go, maybe 1 minute in.
- I did not use any other methods of going deeper, I just let thoughts drift in and out as they came.
Is this what you would expect the first few times using that anchor? |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 12:36:44 PM
I may have to do that; devote a session with my therapist soely with the purpose of taking me down as far as I can go (and make sure I'm there), and then install a new trigger.
As for other progress I have been making, I've felt a marked improvement to how quickly I mentally relax. I no longer need to use the "Relax the mind" thing as a mantra. I just repeat it once or twice as a reminder before going under, then just relax and let my conscious thoughts wander, as a gentle tugging sensation pulls me down. I quickly reach a point where I am no longer worried about how relaxed my body is, or any other external stuff. I am able to go inside and get lost in my own thoughts.
I've also started to ease up conscious control over the images I am supposed to be visualizing. It occured to me that a good way to improve my responsiveness is to actually allow my subconscious to work without constant direction from my conscious thoughts. I realized I was spending more time constructing and maintaining the scenes than interacting with them. So now, I still concentrate to bring up the visualization in my mind, but then I sit back and let the imagery play out on it's own.
I relax much quicker as a result, even though I am not seeing the images as clearly or vividly as before. I end up seeing only the part of the visualization that is immediately relavent to what is being spoken at the time. If what I've been told is true, this is all that is really needed for change to happen.
It may take me longer to get anywhere near where you are. I am still in the process of undoing years of negative thinking, while at the same time overcoming my (real or imagined) struggles with hypnosis.
But here is the thing. I have no intention of giving up. And I am improving, little by little. In the last week espcially, there seems to be a cumulative effect going on, where more things seem to be falling into place.
Oh, almost forgot. My idea of being "at depth" may be incorrect, compared to how others have described it to me. To me, I am "at depth" once the sinking/tugging sensation in the back of my mind eases. There is a feeling like I am "settled in" and can remain there as long as I want. At this time, I reach that point about 5-10 minutes into the session, based on what I hear in the audio when I get that "settled in" feeling. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/05/2009 : 08:22:33 AM
Well that's good. I think it's possible that your hypnotherapist might not have the skill set needed to help you. The only reason I say that is because I've been to 3 hypnotherapists and none of them have put me in as deep of a state of hypnosis as I put myself in recently. I also taught myself to go into a very deep hypnotic state in self hypnosis and it works beautifully. And I did this after only about a month of experimenting with making my own recordings (of course I have extensively studied hypnosis for about 2 years).
I don't have to try anything now. I use the trigger I made for myself and I slip right down into hypnosis. I spend 5-10 seconds getting into hypnosis and then 5-20 minutes enjoying the state or giving myself suggestions. The right tools make all the difference.
And I've been surprised by the number of hypnotherapists I've seen who are using outdated tools. It would be like trying to use a computer from the '80's in today’s world. The computer flat out is not good enough to keep up.
Trying to get into a deep state of hypnosis through using your conscious mind and through giving yourself suggestions would take forever. The quicker way is to get a good hypnotherapist to take you there and then having them install a nice, quick trigger for you to use so you can get back immediately. It’s so much more efficient. Then you can still listen to audio’s to go even deeper or to give yourself suggestions.
And when you get over worrying about the induction, the session really becomes enjoyable then. Then you get to have fun with hypnosis and enjoy it’s benefits. I spent over an hour of my day yesterday in hypnosis just enjoying the deep relaxation.
As far as relaxing the mind then body or body then mind goes; it doesn’t make a difference which way you go. Meditation uses relaxing the mind to relax the body and hypnosis generally uses relaxing the body to relax the mind. There is a mind-body connection which is why either method works. I personally am interested in the fastest method of getting into hypnosis so I can use my time wisely.
If you have a real desire to go into hypnosis, you can get there very easily. One thing I still do before each session is I use my imagination to get excited about going into hypnosis. I imagine what it’s going to be like and how it’s going to help me. I imagine the relaxation and the change that will happen because of my ability to go into hypnosis. Then I begin my session and my brain then wants to go into hypnosis.
It allows me to use all of my resources to get there instead of “trying†to get there. Trying presupposes failure. Do it. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/02/2009 : 2:46:43 PM
Thank you for that. That actually helps me make a little more sense.
I have also had a new insight this week. While getting ready for work on Wednesday morning, I was thinking about why it was taking me so long to relax while practicing hypnosis, even after 2 months of constant practice.
Out of the blue, I had the thought, "Relax the mind, and the body will follow."
Up until now, everything I had learned about hypnosis suggested you had to concentrate on relaxing the body, in order to get the mind to relax. This idea ran counter to all that, but I figured I *had* to at least try it.
During my lunch break, I set aside 10 minutes to try it. I closed my eyes, and concentrated on silently repeating the phrase over and over. At some point, I "forgot" to repeat the phrase, and I came out of it 10 minutes later with only a fuzzy recollection.
I used it again later, during the session with my therapist. When I asked her about afterward, she said that in less than 10 minutes, I was full-on, eyelid-fluttering, eyes-rolled-all-the-way-up, gone. A first for me.
To say it's encouraging is an understatement. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/02/2009 : 07:49:01 AM
I would suggest that you practice self hypnosis twice a day and that you deliver suggestions to yourself while in self hypnosis. Deliver some affirmations that you know beyond a doubt are solid and can help you. Maybe ask your hypnotherapist for some.
I think the real issue here is getting your conscious mind on board. If your subconscious allows you to go into trance, I'm pretty sure it's accepting suggestions just fine. However, consciously you feel like it's not which could do be slowing your progress or it could eventually give the suggestion to your subconscious to stop accepting suggestions and then you're really in trouble.
The more you believe that hypnosis isn't working, the more it's going to become your reality. If you've studied the brain at all, you know the conscious mind is the thinker and the subconscious acts as the prover. Whatever your conscious mind tells your subconscious, it accepts without question. Tell yourself long enough that hypnosis doesn't work and you're going to be in a world of hurt. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 10/01/2009 : 2:49:16 PM
I had my most recent session with my therapist yesterday, and we had a really long discussion about the traumatic memories that were coming to the surface. During the pre-talk, I related to her as best I could consciously recall about the incidents, from the age of 5 all the way up through graduation.
Even just giving her the cliffnotes version churned up a lot of emotions, but she managed to keep me calm throughout. The insights she related to me during the pre-talk are still in the process of sinking in.
We then had the formal hypnosis session, with a different technique to help me work through the rest without the risk of re-experiencing the trauma of those memories. I am to use the recording of that session going forward, at least until the next follow-up session.
Though I am a bit reluctant to admit this, without even mentioning it to her, she seems to support Matrixman's opinion that Timeline therapy was not the best choice for me. However, it did help me deal with the lesser stuff that I'd been dragging around, and forced me to acknowledge that I had more serious things to deal with.
You know the thing I find ironic, thinking about it now? We had a 2-hour discussion before there was even mention of sitting over in the "magic chair" to begin the next hypnosis session. Yet, I realize after the fact, she had me "under" within minutes of walking in the door...
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I still have a strong desire to improve my responsiveness to direct "you will do" suggestions, the way I respond to the guided imagery. I realize it is not needed for my therapy to be effective. But, I do have a strong desire to experience some of the more novel aspects of hypnosis. |
| hypjunkie18 |
Posted - 10/01/2009 : 08:36:17 AM
I think that you might need to go express these feelings to your hypnotherapist. I don't know if anger is something you've repressed, but I used to repress anger and it caused depression in me. I also used to repress other emotions and it eventually led to me feeling numb. It's half the reason I went out to seek help from a hypnotherapist.
The other half being I had disconnected from all my friends and family but I love being around people. I had developed social anxiety and that was making me even more depressed.
I think your suggestibility will improve the more you work with your hypnotherapist. It could be that you still have some fear about hypnosis. I think that you might want to take things slowly for a while.
I mean, think of how long you've been living the way you're living. It will take a little while to start to condition you to live a new way. Also, you might be accepting the suggestions anyway but maybe you think you're not. Thoughts are powerful things. Observe the progress you make and by all means, discuss this with your hypnotherapist. |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 8:03:01 PM
I am sorry.
When I saw the words "take responsibility", the first thing I thought was "That's all I've been doing all these years, is taking responsibility for all the stuff that has happened to me, whether it's really my fault or not."
Then, when I read your suggestion to tell my mind to STOP when a negative though comes up, all I could think about was how doing that in the past has only served to re-bury the thought/emotion, only to have it come up later, stronger than before.
And, it brought up the memory of that guidance counselor's advice, that led to a violent outburst from a bully who had previously only ever resorted to name-calling. Worst advice I ever took from an adult. What made it worse is when I talked to him about it after, he was convinced I must have done something to provoke the bully. Yeah, I *ignored* the bully, just like he had told me to.
I know I overreacted to your words. I just felt like I was being blamed all over again for the things that happened to me.
I even bristled at the implication that the therapy my hypnotherapist recommended was wrong. Understand that she was the first person in years I trusted enough to open up to, and I found myself trusting her enough to actually go into a medium trance on the very first session, on the first day I met her. That is something I'd never done before. As far as I am concerned, anyone who can do that *has* to know what she's doing.
So, I am sorry for overreacting. I realize I still have a lot to deal with.
As for practicing to enhance trance depth, well, I am already doing that every day with the meditation, so that's not a problem. The meditation is all about relaxing without an agenda. Unless you feel it's better to actually use a CD, and just let my mind drift with the voice in the background? |
| Matrixman |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 5:26:50 PM
Absolutely if that is what is needed- yet then this is not about me- or how I do things- I don't do things with out there being a specific bigger reason- now you filled in a huge amount of stuff aka crap based on a simple question- I asked was that an emotional outburst- which is a yes or no answer- now based on your reply- its telling me that your reading- and then projecting on on to it- STOP that- read what I say and only what is on the page- don't add anything to it- don't take anything away from it and -
Hypnosis is not the issue at hand- what is the issue is the thinking thats getting in the ways of the issue- now like I said before- hypnosis is very simple- and its follows a very simple set of rules- if the suggestions you are listening to are not working for you change them to ones that will- and if you don't know what they are guess, and keep guessing until you find the ones that seem to fit-
Now what you have to also remember is that this is a forum and we only have text- to work with- so we are missing a huge amount of stuff- like body language- tonal inflections- a smile so chillax a bit- ok- so lets look at some of the words your using-
try(ing) I am sure you have a keyboard in front of you try and pick it up. Now you either picked it up or you didn't - theres no try- you either do something or don't - and just be clean cut about it-
Now why the hell would you fly into a rage- based on a forum post- do you have no emotional control? Stop that! now if you was to re-read my post- with out projecting on to it- you might find that despite it being very simple maybe to simple- lets say you was out in the street and you saw a kid running into the road- I am guessing that you would shout stop! and guess what the kids do just that- now if you could stop a kid with the simple word stop- or even an adult if it was an adult- then as its a whole person connected to a brain- then you can bet your life that if you tell your thoughts to stop- that they would and will- now if you want to have another emotional outburst its ok with me- in fact I think you should practice doing that on the forum- What do you THINK first before you Stop and answer- now once again just stop- and what would be a better way of saying what you want to say? What tone of voice are your reading this in? Now what other voice tones could you reread these post that would allow you to see- and connect the dots-
So lets consider your hypnosis practice- again- could you just for 12 sessions- just do the sessions- with out going for anything else other than just relaxation and just for the sake of relaxation? just relax and deeper- no change work attempts- the idea is that repetition is the bases of getting good at any skill- so if you was just to practice with out any agenda other than you to relax- you would just by doing that increase your depth of trance by at least 20% and maybe up to 60% or more-
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| nispelsm |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 4:31:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Matrixman
Was that an emotional outburst? now you have that out of the way! what else would you like to get of your chest? you can change the easy way or the hard way yet you have to make the choice about how you do it.
J
Please tell me your method isn't to provoke your clients to fly off into a rage. And all you've done is make me angry at you. I feel worse off now than when I started this thread.
I'm trying to improve my response to hypnosis, not become *more* defiant. |
| Matrixman |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 3:42:27 PM
Well emotions are not based in or on logic or reason- so trying to change them at that level wont work- in fact logic tends to create a blame base- and reason tend to develop a confirmation of the blame- so they lock each other in place- which is not that good for change- there are a few things that can help with releasing emotions- EFT www.emofree.com emotional freedom technique and you can get the free manual from the site- and that will give you a solid base in the basics- or www.tapping.com there are a number of free video's that you might find useful- and then there is the sedona method www.sedona.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sedona.com/ which is a very simple emotional release process that you can check out-
theres a number of options there for you to check out-
J |
| nispelsm |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 3:25:14 PM
You realy don't get it.
I've spent YEARS trying to use logic and reason to rationalize this stuff away. I've even had to deal with the emotional outbursts when it becomes too much. No matter how many times I've tried to put them behind me, those feelings have always returned within a few months or years.
An emotional outburst is not the same as an emotional release. An outburst is merely a symptom. I need release, and the only way to do that is to deal with them at their source. Logic and reason have failed to work, so what's left? It's therapy, or spend the rest of my life doped up on antidepressants.
Edit:
This much I know for sure, the very traits that enabled me to survive 15 years of mental and physical abuse have since become the things that are trapping me. I cannot change those things until the reasons for their existance are dealt with. |
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